I will be also looking into TikTok, and some other platform which are similar to YT. I may have to do some research.
Anyone had Youtube Copyright claim which caused your uploaded guitar playing video removed?
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I will be also looking into TikTok, and some other platform which are similar to YT. I may have to do some research.
I stuck with iOS as it is the more secure platform. Apple and Android (a Google platform) data mine for content - I trust Apple slightly more than google as they offer more in the way of stated privacy protections. I disabled Safari.
No idea I never use yt. I write songs . So I’ve looked up the copywriter law . It was confusing
TikTok is a poor choice imwo. I trust the Chinese the least. They watermark all content which I find annoying.
OneDrive works quite well, just takes a bit of learning how it works. ...and avoiding the nags...
I'm a casual user. YT seems to be moving in the direction of a subscriber service. Will they make that mandatory one day? Maybe.
All of my web browsers are set to dump all saved data upon exit - permanent incognito mode. Data miners get little information from me compared to those who save all browsing data.
About half the time YT challenges me to login to "verify" my identity by logging in. Their excuse is I might be a bot. I then need to play the game of trying different browsers or connecting to a different VPN server.
If they ever require a google account to view I'm done with them, is not worth it to me.
Below is what I see when accessing their home page.
With no saved browser data they have nothing to suggest or track my usage with. I also use a VPN so they do not know where I'm located.
I was able to find the Phil X page by searching. No challenges - this time. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=phil+x+guitar
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bbarott
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Maybe you just need to expand your horizons a bit? There are plenty of virtuosos out there that make their backing tracks available for just this purpose, ie, learning. They're inexpensive and given that they actually facilitate the whole 'learning' thing they certainly get it. And by and large I've found they don't mind you using and promoting these things so long as you don't claim any sort of work product for yourself or make them available to anyone else. You have to understand that any attempt to promote yourself with their use will fall under the 'derivative works' thing, and as these guys make their living with this stuff I gotta say I'm on their side on this one.
That said, putting it out there properly assists an aspiring artist too. Just gotta ensure it remains a win-win and they're OK with it. Youtube errs on the conservative side and will demonetize a video, or worse if it detects a copyrighted works. What would be interesting to know is how they actually determine that. I know I've copyrighted dozens of songs but I've never filed anything with YouTube per se. Maybe they've got a bot with a hook into the US Copyright office that does a search on upload, IDK.
I'd just contact the artist in advance if you have questions, permission trumps forgiveness every time. I've done this for imagery I've used for album art with success, most are glad to be credited and for the exposure but again I've never had to do this with music. Then again, I've never dealt with any of the major labels either.
bbarott
Most Honored Senior Member
You should look into copyrighting if you haven't done so already. Lots of pirates out there, sad to say.
Seamus OReally
Gone, baby, gone
Poor you. YouTube will suffer without you.
...or did they? I can see YT arbitrarily applying copyright law so they don't get hassled. Checking with the owner thousands of times an hour seems onerous.
Well hello there!
Yes, plenty of good ideas and points on the issue here. Thanks. I will read up one by one with attention, and will get back to your points if I have my own point. But I was surprised to find out there are many alternative live streaming and video archiving sites available with different strengths and weak points. It was really interesting. I didn't know any of them apart from YT.
Following is just one link which lists the similar sites as YT. I think I will leave YT for good. I have been with YT for many years with no problem, but this nonsense CR strike disappointed me.
https://moodive.com/the-25-best-video-streaming-sites-like-youtube-you-still-dont-know-2025
Following is just one link which lists the similar sites as YT. I think I will leave YT for good. I have been with YT for many years with no problem, but this nonsense CR strike disappointed me.
https://moodive.com/the-25-best-video-streaming-sites-like-youtube-you-still-dont-know-2025
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You seem frustrated and that is fair enough but what has really happened? Someone wants their toy back and maybe they are being unreasonable. That's it, nothing more. No one is charging you a fee or penalizing you in any other way.
Maybe the copyright is being used poorly in your case but that's life. You are interpreting an entire culture's music and an entire platform with these one or two experiences, and this is a mistake. You will miss out on opportunities to experience a lot of wonderful and interesting things this way, and that is your prerogative I suppose, but it is not the best one in my opinion.
Relax. Life is not always fair but blowing it out of proportion is just that.
Wendy is great at doing that, Sharon as well and the Hendrix family.
I think the genius is in making money out of "other" people.
But that is why the "record" business is what it is.
Like owning a bank, the biggest robbery you can do - legaly.
But what do I know.
Life is good,
Robin
I think the genius is in making money out of "other" people.
But that is why the "record" business is what it is.
Like owning a bank, the biggest robbery you can do - legaly.
But what do I know.
Life is good,
Robin
You seem frustrated and that is fair enough but what has really happened? Someone wants their toy back and maybe they are being unreasonable. That's it, nothing more. No one is charging you a fee or penalizing you in any other way.
Maybe the copyright is being used poorly in your case but that's life. You are interpreting an entire culture's music and an entire platform with these one or two experiences, and this is a mistake. You will miss out on opportunities to experience a lot of wonderful and interesting things this way, and that is your prerogative I suppose, but it is not the best one in my opinion.
Relax. Life is not always fair but blowing it out of proportion is just that.
Maybe you have not experienced YT sent you an email stating your video has been taken down because some penny-pinching CR owner claimed CR against it. And then it blackmails you that another 2 strikes your channel will be shutdown.
I am just glad I wasn't in a position as some other YT users who spent everything to build their channel making it their profession getting millions of subscribers, then get told someone had claimed CR, and either it will be shutdown or actually did shut down.
YT has struck me with the first CR strike on my guitar learning play-along video, and I must do something to counter against it. I am not sure which way is best forward on that. All could do was to remove all my guitar play-along videos from the channel, and move on to the other platform, which is TikTok. I will be trying out some more other platforms in the future, and stay on the best suited one for me. So, it is not bad or irrational response on my side. It it totally rational and progressive event for me. As I wrote above, it is just so fortunate that it did happen when my channel had nothing much in it.
If I had put much of my time and financial investment on building the channel, then it would have been dire. And I will be keep on learning playing guitars and music as I have done. It will just be on different platforms with different CR algorithms and policies to YT. It was just such a shock and disappoint for me to get CR strike on even educational play-along video, when I have valued and trusted YT as a good platform even if I hated the amount of irrelevant and time wasting adverts in watching the videos in it. I have tolerated that all these years, but it is just time to move on. Nothing big deal really.
I have removed all my guitar play along videos in YT, and moved on to TikTok now. I found it was very easy to register my new channel in TikTok, and already found hundreds of great guitar channels showing their guitar playing videos and also guitar lessons too.
Seriously YT needs to review their CR strike procedures, and replace it with new sensible and fair system, if they want to stay in business for long term future. If they are keep on going as they are doing now, many folks will be leaving the platform for good with much disappointment and frustration . No right mind individual or system would claim CR strikes on guitar students playing along with some pop songs trying to learn how to play guitars, not making a single penny out of it.
Handsome McClane
Garage Band Master Hack
Nope, but my videos have like ten views apiece and I make it very clear that I'm not making money on any of it.
Seamus OReally
Gone, baby, gone
Jeeez, just shut up, can’t you? You don’t own the copyright, so you can’t use it. End of story. Stop whining.
First of all, you don't understand what blackmail is. Blackmail is the when someone threatens to damage you or your standing (financial/personal, whatever) unless they receive compensation. Youtube is not requesting compensation, they simply sent you a copyright strike. If the copyright strike is illegitimate then there are ways to dispute it. Many people receive both legitimate and illegitimate copyright strikes and that is why there is a system in place to dispute a wrongful case.
Rational would be to watch these two videos, which are actually helpful. It's your prerogative and I'm trying to help. Your messages do not give the impression of rationality though. They seem overly emotional, frustrated and misinformed.
If you think that Tik-Tok is free of copyright regulation then I suppose I can expect another thread on Tik-Tok CR in the near future.
Here is a link to their copyright rules. Read it if you wish.
Good luck.
Look at Vanilla Ice. He thought he was in the clear because he added one note to the bassline for Under Pressure. He was not. You use someone else's music without permission, you're going to get punished. Intent doesn't matter. It's not a great system, I agree, but it's the way Youtube works.
In one way, he is right, though. Youtube's current policy is way too inflexible and easily abused by the ones in power. You shouldn't need to retain a lawyer for every video you post. There are such things as fair use that should be taken into account, and are not.
Note: I do not, have never, and will never, post content to streaming platforms. But I do watch it, and I know the people that do often struggle with this. Ask how many content creators that upload their own music get copyright strikes - against themselves - for their own music, just because Youtube's yahoos think it sounds remotely like a song nobody cares about that came out in 1971.