Anyone had Youtube Copyright claim which caused your uploaded guitar playing video removed?

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Doc538

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No. Not silly, but futile and waste of time. Storing play-along videos are, not trying get the public attention, but for improving my guitar playing for me. So you seem to be totally missing the point.
This is easily done on your own computers hard drive or extra thumb drives, you do not need a web service for that. I am sorry I totally dis agree with you as pertaining to copyrighted material, It isn't yours to use, ether create some or pay the piper for use. Even Paul McCartney had to pay Michael Jackson to play songs he had written as a Beatle but lost the auction for the music rights to MJ. As for YT channels, before starting one you should investigate all the conditions and rules before hand, not later on! Good luck with the Chinese Data collector Tic Toc. Lastly it could be related to your location in the UK.
 

Oldboy

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May 17, 2009
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I could philosophically and logically prove that there is no such thing as original song or music from Philosophy of Music point of view, and how irrational to stipulate CRs on those pieces, but again it would be futile and waste of time.
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BryMelvin

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Feb 13, 2014
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Yep. I put an unplugged version of one of the songs on my OWN ALBUM. that You tube removed. had a cover of Watchtower that someone cell phone recorded at a local jam removed too THAT I understand as that IS a copyright violation, There is a you tube channel that was made by an aggregator in my name but I can't seem to claim it.
 

hondoman

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May 29, 2013
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warning you to not make the same "mistake" is NOT blackmail!
If your video is for your own betterment, why post it at all?

Why not? It was mainly for my own reviewing. But others could watch them if they would want to watch them.
What's wrong with that?
 
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hondoman

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Youtube is OK with non western pop music uploads. So majority of Korean old pop music and the traditional blues music seem OK to upload. It always checks the uploaded videos for CR. IF it is CRed, then it will block it not making to visible.

So I will be uploading these non western pop music into YT, since no one will claim CR on those pieces.
But any contemporary western pop music is NO NO for YT uploading.

Try using the other sites such as DailyMotion. I have been uploading western pop music play-along videos into DailyMotion, and it seems to say nothing about CR.

YT is a very unpredictable site. When a uploaded video is CRed material, they will say it, and block it. But sometimes YT will say "The video is CRed, but the owner allows it to be uploaded into YT". So I left it uploaded thinking it is OK, but then a few days later, it strikes with CR totally unexpectedly. It is not a reasonable system, but hey ho, that's how cooky crumbles. You learn, and you just live with it trying to avoid madness of the system.
 
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Slacker G

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May 16, 2021
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Hmmm . Not sure if it is a fair system. It gives strong impression of controlling.
It is a fair system for those who don't appreciate somebody screwing up their song by someone else playing along with it and posting it. There are millions of "cover tunes" on YT that are acceptable because they are not using any of someone else's material. As soon as you use any part of previously recorded material the artist has a right to complain. Why don't you make your own backing track and post it as a cover?
 

Della Street

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It is a fair system for those who don't appreciate somebody screwing up their song by someone else playing along with it and posting it. There are millions of "cover tunes" on YT that are acceptable because they are not using any of someone else's material. As soon as you use any part of previously recorded material the artist has a right to complain. Why don't you make your own backing track and post it as a cover?
We're talking in circles.

I don't know what one has to do to have the video taken down - in my experience, copyright mark will only mean that all of my video revenue will go to Diana Ross, the entire zero monies that I earn. I think that's fair.

But the mark will appear in two cases, again - in my experience:

1. The robot recognizes the original track or parts of it. I sometimes split the stems and remove the vocals, and this recognition sometimes happens, and sometimes it doesn't.

2. Any time there is a mention of the original song title, and it's completely irrelevant whether any of the stolen recorded material is used. So any cover revenue will go to Diana Ross automatically.

My silly videos have no titles, and usually no mention of what the thing that I'm playing is. Most of them use no tracks recorded by anyone else. The covers are often so tricked up as to be hardly recognizable - more variation study tributes than covers. Moreover, many times one video will have a mashup of multiple covers.

Here is an example of two without any use of recordings by others:

Come All Ye Fathful - Pachebel Canon - I Will Survive mashup did not get copyrighted - without any mention of the song names in the title or description.

You Are My Sunshine - Asturias - To Be With You did get copyrighted. This one does have titles in the description, but I'm pretty sure that Sunshine is in public domain, and Asturias definitely is. So who gets my $0? Does Mr. Big get all of it - or only 1/3?

I suppose it's a difficult area, and that's part of the reason the rules are confusing. But as difficult as YouTube is to navigate, Seamus wants me to drop dead for liking and playing other people's music, so at least I'm glad he's not the one in charge.
 

Seamus OReally

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Youtube is OK with non western pop music uploads. So majority of Korean old pop music and the traditional blues music seem OK to upload. It always checks the uploaded videos for CR. IF it is CRed, then it will block it not making to visible.

So I will be uploading these non western pop music into YT, since no one will claim CR on those pieces.
But any contemporary western pop music is NO NO for YT uploading.

Try using the other sites such as DailyMotion. I have been uploading western pop music play-along videos into DailyMotion, and it seems to say nothing about CR.

YT is a very unpredictable site. When an uploaded video is CRed material, they will say it, and block it. But sometimes YT will say "The video is CRed, but the owner allows it to be uploaded into YT". So I left it uploaded thinking it is OK, but then a few days later, it strikes with CR totally unexpectedly. It is not a reasonable system, but hey ho, that's how cooky crumbles. You learn, and you just live with it trying to avoid madness of the system.
You’re wrong about this. Please stop typing.
 

bbarott

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Mar 29, 2010
8,146
Marietta Georgia
A person can set up their own streaming service, honestly its not that hard. Takes a domain name and a cloud subscription and a few buckazoids, that's all. Then you're free of youtube and all the nonsense, firey hoops, ads and baloney that come with the thing. Of course that won't get you out of any legal obligations but you can approach them on your own terms. You will need to cowboy up and own any blowback, and you won't have youtube out there looking out for you. If it's for personal use and a few friends that works. If you're looking for 'exposure' and to use youtube's services but complaining about it, well then it seems to me that someone ain't thought this through all the way and needs to identify what they really want out of this whole endeavor.

Me, I just use youtube but I am definitely not into this for the money, or the exposure. Don't give a rat's rear end about any of that, I just need an organizing tool that I can occasionally refer friends and acquaintances to.
 

PonyB

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Nov 3, 2020
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As many as it takes. What the **** do you care? Am I using precious bandwidth that would be better used by you picking a fight with somebody?
I don't pick fights.
I'm not fighting with you, Seamus.
You are an experienced musician, you have a lot to offer.
But your aggression in this thread is disappointing to me.
Not that you owe me any regard at all.
 

BryMelvin

Senior Stratmaster
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Feb 13, 2014
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You should look into copyrighting if you haven't done so already. Lots of pirates out there, sad to say.
Copyrighting is really necessary if you want to publish. It's easier if you do it an album at a time and use an aggregator (tunecore etc) You'll need to send in an official copy with the paperwork. I send physical media and paper scores on stuff I've done. If you do derivatives you'll need to pay licensing feesandinclude the licensing.

If you hope to make money you should join ASCAP or BMI.
 

BryMelvin

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Feb 13, 2014
1,309
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You should look into copyrighting if you haven't done so already. Lots of pirates out there, sad to say.
Copyrighting is really necessary if you want to publish. It's easier if you do it an album at a time and use an aggregator (tunecore etc) You'll need to send in an official copy with the paperwork. I send physical media and paper scores on stuff I've done. If you do derivatives you'll need to pay licensing feesandinclude the licensing.

If you hope to make money you should join ASCAP or BMI.
 
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