This is the Tone Master vid I've been waiting for.

[guitarchaeologist]

Aderton's pitted a '65 Princeton RI against a Princeton Tone Master.
Same speaker & they didn't simply set all the controls the same on each amp.
They took a few minutes to see how close they could get the tones.

One interesting result. The TM had a very different sound with a fuzz in front of it... very much different than the tube version.
Other than that, the amps are so so close.
See what you think.

 

[StratoStrummer]

I prefer the amp B
But I've seen only 3 minutes of this interesting video...

 

[Stormy Monday]

Aderton's pitted a '65 Princeton RI against a Princeton Tone Master.
Same speaker & they didn't simply set all the controls the same on each amp.
They took a few minutes to see how close they could get the tones.

One interesting result. The TM had a very different sound with a fuzz in front of it... very much different than the tube version.
Other than that, the amps are so so close.
See what you think.

are you shopping for the Princeton TM? What does it do that your DR TM doesn't?

 

[StratoStrummer]

are you shopping for the Princeton TM? What does it do that your DR TM doesn't?

Now this topic is getting even more interesting

 

[guitarchaeologist]

are you shopping for the Princeton TM? What does it do that your DR TM doesn't?

No no. The Deluxe is good for me. I just like the fact that someone is trying to make a better comparison vid.

 

[Stormy Monday]

No no. The Deluxe is good for me. I just like the fact that someone is trying to make a better comparison vid.

I thought you maybe have another suitcase to fill......

 

[The-Kid]

Yeah pretty much the video shows that the TM sounds like a cardboard box when you push it with pedals according to Danish Pete.


It's there in the video. They did a video later with the Katana Artist Mk ll that took the same pedal like a champ showing pretty much the TM line is pretty much like a novelty with the looks but none of the real mojo of a real amp like the Boss stuff or the real Princeton.


Me I never bought into the TM mumbo jumbo.....it's not even that great and it's kind of like an amp for vanities sake when compared to other SS/Digital amps or not wanting to fork out a couple more bucks for the real Reissues



Me, I own a real Princeton Reissue and a Katana Artist Mk ll and I am very happy ^_^

 

[Machew]

I still love my Cyber Twin. I think it sounds great!

 

[The-Kid]

Ri

I still love my Cyber Twin. I think it sounds great.

Those things were great especially the SE versions.

 

[AxemanVR]

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The only problem with side-by-side tests is that even two of the exact same amp can sound different.

Unless you’re paying someone like Alexander Dumble to build if for you, no one is testing each component for precise consistency, which is why it’s always best to play them yourself before deciding.

I had a 2022 Fender ‘68 Custom Vibro Champ Reverb that fried its output transformer so I got a new replacement (under warranty) and while each sounded great in their own way, they were still notably different in how they responded to my playing and the range where the gain affected certain things when cranked up.

Just saying…

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[StratUp]

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The only problem with side-by-side tests is that even two of the exact same amp can sound different.

Unless you’re paying someone like Alexander Dumble to build if for you, no one is testing each component for precise consistency, which is why it’s always best to play them yourself before deciding.

I had a 2022 Fender ‘68 Vibro Champ Reverb that fried its output transformer so I got a new replacement (under warranty) and while each sounded great in their own way, they were still notably different in how they responded to my playing and the range where the gain affected certain things when cranked up.

Just saying…

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This (text) review is fairly thorough and examines the "tube amps vary from one to the next" in a little detail.

Like all, it's subjective because we're talking about sound. But he covers most points well and is not an SS guy or a tube guy, he's both.

Link: Review of TM Deluxe vs. Deluxe Tube

 

[Cerb]

I had a very slight preference for A. They sound very similar though.

 

[SurfsUp]

That crew from the UK put out some excellent videos. Kudos to them and their playing!

 

[Machew]

Ri



Those things were great especially the SE versions.

I never played the first. Mine is the SE.

 

[The-Kid]

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The only problem with side-by-side tests is that even two of the exact same amp can sound different.

Unless you’re paying someone like Alexander Dumble to build if for you, no one is testing each component for precise consistency, which is why it’s always best to play them yourself before deciding.

I had a 2022 Fender ‘68 Custom Vibro Champ Reverb that fried its output transformer so I got a new replacement (under warranty) and while each sounded great in their own way, they were still notably different in how they responded to my playing and the range where the gain affected certain things when cranked up.

Just saying…

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True but there is a ballpark tone each Reissue amp aims at and does fall under. But yeah this is why I played like 4-5 different Princeton 112 versions before I got mine.


By comparison the ToneMaster not only doesn't handle pedals it's just not as lively, dynamic or as versatile as other SS and digital amps out there in the market that cost as much or less as well.

 

[Snaked Strat]

Aderton's pitted a '65 Princeton RI against a Princeton Tone Master.
Same speaker & they didn't simply set all the controls the same on each amp.
They took a few minutes to see how close they could get the tones.

One interesting result. The TM had a very different sound with a fuzz in front of it... very much different than the tube version.
Other than that, the amps are so so close.
See what you think.

I think it's a youtube video and all youtube videos are completely useless for comparing the tone of anything musical

 

[Caffiend]

I think it's a youtube video and all youtube videos are completely useless for comparing the tone of anything musical

Almost true, internet videos in general are terrible for 'researching' tones/sound quality. But, if you have one video with several products it is possible to compare the sounds within the video with each other. Whether it tells you much in the real world is a different matter but it should give a reasonable jumping off point.

 

[GrooVey]

I think it's a youtube video and all youtube videos are completely useless for comparing the tone of anything musical

Agreed.

I've no complaints with my twin tm. Pedals and all. Sounds great.

 

[l88vette]

I still love my Cyber Twin. I think it sounds great!

I recently bought a TM Twin due to the weight savings but my Cyber Twin honestly sounds more like the real deal. It's over 20 years old, works perfect, and still sounds amazing.

 

[3bolt79]

The Tone Masters will do their function until Fender decides to stop servicing them, and quit with software updates. How many years will it be before that happens?

They all will be obsolete at some point, whereas a tube amp like a Twin or a Princeton may last a lifetime.