rolandson
Dr. Stratster
Which would mean that they're the low hanging fruit for an ambitious federal prosecutor...!
Prewired Harness Supplier selling bogus PIO caps in their harnesses
- Thread starter John Hurtt
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"You buy Jimmy's stuff... don't ask questions, just buy Jimmy's stuff!"
I checked the Orange Drops and the 715 series @ .022uF was closer to $150 plus shipping. Could you send me the link to what you found on the site? I might be missing a filter somwhere.
And 902D did this for 2 years Whole thing is rotten.
dirocyn
Most Honored Senior Member
I hadn't looked specifically at the Cornell Dubilier 715 series previously. You're right, for that series it's 151 for 100, from Mouser. Some of the 716 series are $1.00 each at this quantity.
I guess there's been some inflation since last time I looked, or else I was looking at a different type.
I do not disagree with you; I was simply putting the link here so that if any of our members didn't follow the TPG thread would be informed that they may now be able to recover the cost of the harness they bought.
What I don't know is if they were wrapping the real PIO in their PIO wrap from the get-go... if that's the case, and I don't know, I could easily imagine that the supply chain team took a decision and didn't inform the manufacturing line.
Until someone qualified notice that they didn't update the build process to stop wrapping the Dijon cap in PIO wrapper.
It wouldn't surprise me that whoever was wrapping those don't know the difference between the 2 caps though.
It may well be a case of fraud with intent or a case of fraud by negligence.... I'm not a lawyer, so it well beyond to conclude.
dirocyn
Most Honored Senior Member
It's an entirely different manufacturing process, somebody was well aware. The boss says make these labels and wrap them around the yellow doodads just so. The boss knows good and well what they are making, even if some of the guys on the line don't.
I don't know which person committed the fraud, but someone did. Maybe some factory in China. Or maybe their invoice says these are Dijon caps in decorative wrapping, and the fraud came when those decorative caps were sold as real.
Nick L Plate
Strat-O-Master
Oh, give me a break about how everyone selling PIO caps is committing fraud. Though I do not myself care about replicating vintage guitars, quite obviously lots of people enjoy doing so (and they're not idiots; other people like classic cars, antiques, etc. etc.) and if they want to use retro technology, back off. I concentrate on the specs and values of caps, not the composition, but I also know many players and experts and makers who say otherwise, so I'm not dismissing either view, even though my choices follow my own view: that the very exact value is the most critical quality. I do think sellers of PIO stuff do need to stick with "vintage correct" rather than "scientific miracle!!!!" in their lingo.
@Nick L Plate
The fraud we are discussing is that they weren't PiO caps when they were supposed to be. 920D re-labeled film caps and sold them as PiO (along with a markup)..
The fraud we are discussing is that they weren't PiO caps when they were supposed to be. 920D re-labeled film caps and sold them as PiO (along with a markup)..
Baelzebub
Dr. Stratster
yeah...it's just a start. Then ya gotta get some lube.
Baelzebub
Dr. Stratster
The shop manager admitted to doing it more or less. Owner threw him under the bus and denied knowing until it was discovered by a customer. Possible, but what does that say about how much oversight is really being done?
If they have any proper inventory and accounting in place something would have shown up right away.
Looks like Sweetwater pulled the ones with PiO caps from the searchable listings, but no mention of anything regarding why..
StratUp
Dr. Stratster
"Why" is "so we don't get sued".
The Ballzz
Senior Stratmaster
Ahhh yes! SweetWater has MUCH deeper pockets than 920D.
Just Figurin'
Gene
StratUp
Dr. Stratster
Before you know about the fraud (your supplier has been lying to you), you can probably prevail in a lawsuit. Probably. Whether you're just better off settling vs. paying legal costs and taking possible reputation hits, debatable.
If you have reason to know that the parts are fraudulent, or should have known (like now, when it's industry buzz), and continue to sell them, then you'll lose for sure - either in court or via a much fatter settlement. You might even be open to fraud charges if it can be proven you knew it and continued to sell the parts.
Nice post , the thread from Gearpage was called
Gibson "Bumblebee" caps - complete B.S.
I stumbled across this on another site, which was linking to it from the mylespaul forums. I'm currently shopping around for caps for a Gibson project, and this is simultaneously mind blowing and somehow not surprising at all. Gibson is taking a cheap cap and wrapping it in a Bumblebee-cap...
www.thegearpage.net
Gibson "Bumblebee" caps - complete B.S.
I stumbled across this on another site, which was linking to it from the mylespaul forums. I'm currently shopping around for caps for a Gibson project, and this is simultaneously mind blowing and somehow not surprising at all. Gibson is taking a cheap cap and wrapping it in a Bumblebee-cap...
www.thegearpage.net
