Original Brown Super v original 63 Vibroverb
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Model/Circuit Number: 6G4, 6G4-A
Years of Production: 1960 – 1963
Era: Brownface
Configuration: Combo
Controls: Brown forward facing w/ white screened labels, controls numbered 1-10
Knobs: Brown Round
Schematics Super 6G4 Super 6G4-A
Faceplate
Weight: 47 lbs
Speaker
~Watts: 40 watts
Tubes
Rectifier: GZ34
Overview 1963 Vibroverb- only about 600 brownface Vibroverbs were made
-Manufacture Date: early 1963
-Power Output: 35 Watts
-Tubes: 5AR4, 6L6 (2), 12AX7 (6)
-Controls: Volume, Treble, Bass | Volume, Treble, Bass, Reverb | Speed, Intensity
-Dimensions: 25'' x 19.5'' x 9.5''
-Weight: 47 lbs
Cosmetics (see photos)
-original Tolex
-original grillcloth
-original handle
-original back panels
-tiny panel scratch near bright inuput
-minor panel discoloration from tape residue on right side
Electronics
-original speakers: 2-10" Oxford 10K5 (one has been re-coned)
-original transformers
-all original circuitry
-original power cord
-no footswitch
Years of Production: 1960 – 1963
Era: Brownface
Configuration: Combo
Controls: Brown forward facing w/ white screened labels, controls numbered 1-10
Knobs: Brown Round
Schematics Super 6G4 Super 6G4-A
Faceplate
- Front: 6G4: Normal: In, In, Bass, Treb, Vol – Bright: In, In, Bass, Treb, Vol, Speed, Intensity – Presense – Pilot Lamp ; 6G4-A: Normal: In, In, Vol, Treb, Bass – Bright: In, In, Vol, Treb, Bass, Speed, Intensity – Presense – Pilot Lamp
- Rear: 6G4: Ground Sw, Fuse (3A), Power Sw, Standby Sw, Speaker Jack, Vibrato Jack
- Dimensions: 18 x 24 x 10½
- Hardware: Large Chassis Straps 5 5/8”
- Handle: Brown Plastic Strap
- Feet: Chrome Glides
- Corners: None
- Tolex/Tweed: Pinkish Brown Tolex(60-61), Rough brown Tolex (62-63)
- Grill Cloth: Brown (60), Maroon (60-62) or Wheat (62-63)
Weight: 47 lbs
Speaker
- Size: 2 x 10
- Impedance: 4 ohms (8 ohms each in parallel)
- Model: Jensen P10R, Jensen P10Q or Oxford 10K5(For more info, check out the Jensen Replacement Speakers)
~Watts: 40 watts
Tubes
- Pre amp: 7025
- Power: 2 x 6L6GC (6G4), 2 x 5881 (6G4-A)
Rectifier: GZ34
Overview 1963 Vibroverb- only about 600 brownface Vibroverbs were made
-Manufacture Date: early 1963
-Power Output: 35 Watts
-Tubes: 5AR4, 6L6 (2), 12AX7 (6)
-Controls: Volume, Treble, Bass | Volume, Treble, Bass, Reverb | Speed, Intensity
-Dimensions: 25'' x 19.5'' x 9.5''
-Weight: 47 lbs
Cosmetics (see photos)
-original Tolex
-original grillcloth
-original handle
-original back panels
-tiny panel scratch near bright inuput
-minor panel discoloration from tape residue on right side
Electronics
-original speakers: 2-10" Oxford 10K5 (one has been re-coned)
-original transformers
-all original circuitry
-original power cord
-no footswitch
El Gobernador
fezz parka
The Brown Super is an ass kicker. Perfect blend of tweed and brown. It cooks, especially with P10Q's.
Vibroverb is more BF sounding. Great amp... relatively rare.
Vibroverb is more BF sounding. Great amp... relatively rare.
El Gobernador
fezz parka
If I showed up to play and the backline was a Brown Super and a VV, I'd pick the Super.
Interesting! I’m currently “auditioning the Super (along with a brown Pro. I’ll likely keep the Pro in any event, as I’m among the smallish group that is is wedded to 15’s. Of course, it’s a different animal from either the the Super or VV.
Certainly impressed with the Super
so far,
I’ll have the VV Friday and will be be A/B’ing. Anxious to compare them and hear what your hearing!
Certainly impressed with the Super
so far,
I’ll have the VV Friday and will be be A/B’ing. Anxious to compare them and hear what your hearing!
El Gobernador
fezz parka
If the Super has the 8087 OT...that's the tweed bassman OT. The Brown 6g4 Super is a 2x10 Bassman.
El Gobernador
fezz parka
Yeah. It's a different amp too. More BF in it's circuit than the 6g4. I'd still plug into it before a VV.
Not sure about a 63, vv, but a 64,with evm 15” s especially two of them are insanely Loud, just to get even slightly to break up, I rarely use them anymore unless I have an isolation room.
and I refuse to hot plate vintage rca black plates……I only have a few spare sets left.
they do get rented for tracking Pedal steel, dead clean….and work well for that.
40 1960s, tube watts is very loud. Definitely not something I would use for a small group, unless it was at the Los angels coliseum or something…..
and I refuse to hot plate vintage rca black plates……I only have a few spare sets left.
they do get rented for tracking Pedal steel, dead clean….and work well for that.
40 1960s, tube watts is very loud. Definitely not something I would use for a small group, unless it was at the Los angels coliseum or something…..
64’s really loud to be sure! I’ve had two, one with the original CTS and one with the D130. The CTS was loud, but broke up more and much sooner than the one with the D130. As you say, the JBL version never gets much past a crunch, and by then, you’re frying chickens at 50 yards.
I kept the one with the D130, mostly because it’s dead stock and pretty pristine, but it’s useable only at low volumes, which means you’ve got to use pedals to get anything out of it. Smaller OT or not, both were louder than any Super Reverb I’ve had. It’ll be interesting to compare volume levels of the Super and 63 VV. The Super is not nearly as loud as my 64 with the JBL, but pretty loud. Don’t know how it would compare with the CTS version I had.
I kept the one with the D130, mostly because it’s dead stock and pretty pristine, but it’s useable only at low volumes, which means you’ve got to use pedals to get anything out of it. Smaller OT or not, both were louder than any Super Reverb I’ve had. It’ll be interesting to compare volume levels of the Super and 63 VV. The Super is not nearly as loud as my 64 with the JBL, but pretty loud. Don’t know how it would compare with the CTS version I had.
I never liked my tone through a super’s 10” speakers, so I’m pretty sure I would prefer the sound of the Vibroverb. My first gigging rig in my first real gigging band in 1974 was a 58 Jazzmaster through a brown Vibrolux.
I prefer the 64 VV over everything, truth be told. I should say I prefer 15’s over everything, specially, the D130f. That speaker just has something. I’ve got one is my 5E5B tweed Pro and Brown Pro: they’re killer. Those are pretty tone-specific, though (especially the tweed Pro), such that the 64 is arguably more versatile.
El Gobernador
fezz parka
63 Vibroverb is a 2x10 amp, Scott.
El Gobernador
fezz parka
This is where speaker efficiency comes in. A D130 is super efficient.
The Vibroverb will have a touch more clean headroom due to the NFB.
The presence knob on the Super s the secret weapon.
Haha, duh… I still prefer the sound of 12” speakers to 10” In most cases.
I might like the 2x10 better than the 4x10?
I was thinking the vibroverb was a 1x12 or 15.
El Gobernador
fezz parka
The 63 is sorta like The Vibrolux Reverb's Dad. LoL
Do you note much difference in headroom or volume?
El Gobernador
fezz parka
Volume...no. Headroom before clipping is slightly better on the Vibroverb, for the reason I stated above. Put in a more efficient pair of speakers in either, like D110F's, and your headroom will increase.
Understood-that’s very useful.
I’d kill to find a pair of D110f’s! I’ve got D130’s in my Vibroverb and tweed Pro, and a D120f in my little Pro Jr. ltd. My favorite speakers for anything and everything.
Alas, I’ve been questing, advertising for D110’s for some time to no avail
