Need help on any info. on my 1964 strat. body witrh a 1967 strat neck

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Jmassitti

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Hello All,

New to this fourm and need help with any info. you can give me on my ( what I think is an original 1964 strat. body with a 1967 strat neck.

Info. like if all of the controls are original, if date is correct.. ect.

Thks...
 

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Parksie

Parksie

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Jmassitti said:
Hello All,

New to this fourm and need help with any info. you can give me on my ( what I think is an original 1964 strat. body with a 1967 strat neck.

Info. like if all of the controls are original, if date is correct.. ect.

Thks...
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What makes you think it's these dates?

Th neck cant be a 64' as its a slab board which I understand Fender stopped making in early 62'.

There should be a pencil date written on the base of the neck.
 
Guitarchaeologist

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This is a joke, right???
Nothing there appears to be pre-CBS... few parts are even clearly Fender.
The neck (that had a locking nut at some point) could, possibly, be authentic, but if so, it would be at latest a 1960 (based on the crooked decal), but given the suspect nature of the rest of the guitar, it's doubtful.
The body finish almost looks like an 80s 57 AV (2-tone 8-hole guard), but the lack of worm route and the really odd control cavity cut (which shouldn't even be on a 57 AV), suggest it is not even that.
The very modern 5-way switch is a Fender product. Possibly the pickups, possibly. The neck plate is fake, the pots are likely from the 80s, at best, the 11-hole pickguard is aftermarket, etc etc etc.
Then let's talk about this extremely poorly executed relic job.
 
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bluejazzoid

bluejazzoid

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FuncleManson is correct. You should unbolt the neck and get a few pics of the end and bottom of the heel... the neck actually looks more like a '61 neck.

But that body is suspect at best: no worm route, very unnatural wear patterns, 2-tone sunburst ('61 should be 3-tone), no nail holes, etc.
 
FrieAsABird

FrieAsABird

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This is nothing even close to a vintage fender. The relic job on the poly finished body makes me wanna barf… the neck looks nice though, but this if far from anything that could be called a vintage fender. Where did you get this from? @Jmassitti
 
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Jimbo99

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Dismantle body from the neck & look for dates indicated on the neck & in the neck pocket. Looks like it's had some parts replaced along the journey like any of them. Don't underestimate what you have. Duane Allman's 1957 LP gold top auctioned for $ 1.25 million and it's not the original guitar it was in 1957 or even 1970 when Layla was recorded. Gibson verified by neck serial number they refurbished it in the 1980's. Allman took the original pickups out of it when he traded it, a Marshall head and $ 200 for a 1959 LP Burst. Over the decades, the refurbished LP Layla has been rented as a loaner instrument before someone realized it was the guitar by headstock serial number used to record Layla in Miami, FL. End of the day, Latla sold for $ 1.25 million at auction and it's not even the same guitar Allman owned that was 13 years old in 1970, probably not original either.

So whatever the dates are in the neck pocket & neck, if those are authentic Fender date indicators is what you have. If you're lucky they match within a year. and it''s a same year build. Teles & Strats by their very design are modular instruments. What is a worn 1960's Fender worth to a seller/buyer ? I would think at the least it's worth what any 60's reissue at least as a Fender neck & body from the 1960's. That seems to be what the market values them at.
 
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Guitarchaeologist

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Jimbo99 said:
The neckplate is a 1963 from a decoder. Fender self help customer research site doesn't have that serial number in their archives, but that just means they don't have it in a database, doesn't mean it isn't real ?

1963 Fender Stratocaster

1963 Fender Stratocaster
www.eddievegas.com

Serial Number Lookup

serialnumberlookup.fender.com serialnumberlookup.fender.com

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The number may be valid, but I seriously doubt the plate itself is real. It screams imitation with poor/light stamping, misalignment, & incorrect font.
 
Stu78

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Guitarchaeologist said:
This is a joke, right???
Nothing there appears to be pre-CBS... few parts are even clearly Fender.
The neck (that had a locking nut at some point) could, possibly, be authentic, but if so, it would be at latest a 1960 (based on the crooked decal), but given the suspect nature of the rest of the guitar, it's doubtful.
The body finish almost looks like an 80s 57 AV (2-tone 8-hole guard), but the lack of worm route and the really odd control cavity cut (which shouldn't even be on a 57 AV), suggest it is not even that.
The very modern 5-way switch is a Fender product. Possibly the pickups, possibly. The neck plate is fake, the pots are likely from the 80s, at best, the 11-hole pickguard is aftermarket, etc etc etc.
Then let's talk about this extremely poorly executed relic job.
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Thank you @Guitarchaeologist, saves me having a rant. 🤣
 
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Jimbo99

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Then again. look at the stamping on this one, the chrome application, the indention of the metal. Is L16009 the fake, is L25095 the fake ? I get what you're saying though, the font, alignment, even the black lettering isn't as consistent.

1964 Fender Stratocaster Neck Plate

1964 Fender Stratocaster Neck Plate
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Here's a 65 that isn't perfect ?

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1965 Fender Stratocaster Neck Plate

1965 Fender Stratocaster Neck Plate
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L-Series (1963 to late 1965)
Serial number on neckplate preceded with an "L". Considered Pre-CBS (even though CBS bought Fender in January 1965). Sometimes an "L" serial number can be seen on a late 1962 model. Used on Telecaster, Stratocaster, Jazzmaster, Jaguar, Jazz Bass, Precision bass and other models. Lots of overlap in numbers from adjacent years. Don't read too much into these serial numbers, it's not the best way to date a Fender guitar.

L00001 to L20000 = 1963
L20000 to L55000 = 1964
L55000 to L99999 = 1965


And then there's this one ? That has no black serial numer for the stamping, the font doesn't match & it's wonky alignment.

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www.worthpoint.com

1963 Fender Stratocaster Telecaster "L" Neck Plate | #169020578

Thanks for viewing. For your consideration is this 1963 Fender L Series neck plate. Serial # L17428. This was removed from a Stratocaster, but will also suit a Telecaster, Esquire, Jazz Bass, P-Bass,
www.worthpoint.com www.worthpoint.com
 
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Jimbo99

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Jimbo99 said:
The neckplate is a 1963 from a decoder.
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I would also take the guitar apart to determine if the neck has the Fender usual stamping for a date, inspections or whatever. I would look in the neck pocket for those things too.

In my post I included Fender's self help just so the original poster can check for themself that Fender self help doesn't have it on record in their database. I'm not saying either way that it's real or not. I can't even afford a 1963 fake, so it's not like I'm a potential buyer. To me, if I'm buying a 1963, pristine or battered at the prices they command, I want Fender to bless the authenticity of it. Some of these sites in Vegas or wherever, those are the last people in the USA I want to deal with in a transaction of that amount that a 1963 would sell for.
 
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Jmassitti

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Hello All,

I would like to thank all of you for this fantastic information. Born in 1951 my brain is not what it use to be and surfing the net is not my forte. This was a tremendous amount of info.

This guitar belongs to a dear Friend of mine and He asked me if I can sell it for him.

Basically we would like to sell it and we would need an ( AS IS ) approx. value.

Attached are more pictures.

I truly want to thank you for all this info.

PS: This is my first ever forum!

James...
 

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dirocyn

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Jmassitti said:
This guitar belongs to a dear Friend of mine and He asked me if I can sell it for him.
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The vintage guitar market is sadly full of fraud. We have seen variations of story before, the fraudster would always prefer to have an honest fool sell it for him. Or the fraudster would like to play the fool, and deflect blame back on the previous owner. I'm not making any accusations, but if your friend is a guitarist he is probably the guy who assembled it. Very reasonable for him to distance himself from anyone trying to sell this as a vintage collectible.

It's worth about as much as a fake Honus Wagner rookie card.

The best true valuation will come from identifying what it is, without pretending it's vintage. Ask your friend for the truth. There may be some real parts here that are worth something.
 
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