I tried a degaussed set from a different manufacturer also and didn’t like them much at all. I think that’s what you’re hearing in tonal differences.Checking em out now.
Just nabbed a set of Klein 59's off Reverb. So we'll do another comparison in the near future. I'm looking forward to it. I didn't realize that Mojotone degaused their pickups to "age" them, and I didn't realize they flipped the middle pickup. Having an original to compare is good to have, because I believe they left them too long on the grill.
Everything makes a difference, even when you think it doesn't. I wonder if Leo tested flipping the middle and thought...."these lost their Mojo".
That 59 sounded great! Tone was full and rang out. Next best was 57/62 but a ways from being as good. Mojotone last by far. Frankly it sucked. Thin and lifeless.OK Guys and Gals. Here you go.
3 guitars, Straight into a Fender Princeton Chris Stapleton with a Celestion Ruby Alnico speaker. No effects. No volume adjusting. All guitars full.
Mic is a Shure Unidyn III SM57. Mic Pre is an Antelope Studio Synergy Core. Let me know what you think. I'm beginning to think it really has a lot to do with that middle pickup polarity. Because the CS sounds nearly as good as the 59....and all they did was make it as Leo designed it.
I notice that the the pickup demonstration in the video before had reverb added.....that would be called "cheating"....reverb adds shimmer. My comparison is dry.
I've included a side view of the pickups in the 59'. I'm sure in 30 more years the pickguard will shatter, or the pickup covers, as it continues to shrink. But that will be someone else's problem.
I love the way the Brazilian Rosewood looks like a melting chocolate bar in the photos.
Here's the link.
Strat Pickup Comparison
Agree. I won't make any blanket statements, but "my" Mojotones are not my favorite. The 57' is a Fender Custom Shop Ash 57. So I assume it has 57'? reissue pickups? I may redo the comparison this week, to include the Klein 59' Reissues.....I'll record the Mojotone, then remove and install the Kleins.....leaving the amp as it is.....for the full comparison.That 59 sounded great! Tone was full and rang out. Next best was 57/62 but a ways from being as good. Mojotone last by far. Frankly it sucked. Thin and lifeless.
What it shows is that you truly need an original to do the comparison. There simply is no comparison. Particularly at the end where I compared the Klein directly....what happened to the mid-lows??? The 59's are full, and much higher output. To do the comparison, I simply strummed a chord on one, then pulled the plug, and did the same on the other.....you can't get much closer comparison than that.That ‘59 is breathtaking. Immaculate
How do you like the Kleins ? I thought they held up pretty well vs the 59s but I agreed with you in that nothing will beat those. I wonder how the Kleins would sound in that 59 hardtail - probably different I would imagine. Not suggesting you should do that though.
You’re right, the mojotones pretty much sucked. Which is surprising considering how good that company is. Degaussed pickups just don’t do it for me. It’s akin to a brand new relicd guitar. Weakening a magnet doesn’t add shimmer, it just makes the pickups sound weak and shrill
I’ll add one last thing. I’ve been watching some videos by Nile Rodgers and one by Tim Pierce on the “Hitmaker Hardtail”. And I realize that they describe the warmer tone out of the hardtail that I assume must be because of the better resonance, since the strings are anchored firmly on the body. This could account for some of the low end loss in the vibrato version. I’m liking the Kleins the more I play them. I would have to have a hard tail parts caster to do a true comparison.I think this about wraps up this thread.
You could measure the 3 sets of pickup through a cable and by selecting each positions, you don't need to open them up. If you measure them all the same way you'll get comparable data.The point about the pots is interesting. Take a look at this article...specifically as it relates to pots. Interestingly, Alpha faired better than CTS, with Bare Knuckle CTS pots fairing the closest to vintage.
I do not use treble bleed circuits....I just do the simply original circuit. I have measured the resistance of the 59 pickups previously....documented somewhere here. I can do the same for the Kleins.
However, I won't be able to look under the hood of the my 59', nor touch any solder joints, as the guitar is all original, including solder joints. Additionally, the screws holding the pick guard are under a great deal of stress from the shrinking pick guard. One has already shot off somewhere. But what I can do is measure resistance at 1 to 10 along the volume pot taper.
I posted it in a different thread. I’m trying to remember which one. And where. I can simply redo it. Regarding the difference in volume? It is as it is. The difference in volume was what initially clued me to the problem. I would plug in my les Paul’s, then the strat. And the difference was a lot. So then I compared to the 59 and was like. ….oh ! This is different. I’m at work but can take a look later.You could measure the 3 sets of pickup through a cable and by selecting each positions, you don't need to open them up. If you measure them all the same way you'll get comparable data.
In your first sound sample, it was obvious that the Mojotone 59 were much lower in volume than the others, however, in you second sample the difference in volume didn't seem that much, or I missed it...
I didn't the resistance you had documented in this thread, I guess I missed it, will have to look again...
No wonder the Kleins sound different. Surprised your original 59 set measures so high My Klein 57 set measures out around 5.8k as well.59' Orig Strat - B: 6.5k M: 6.54k N: 6.46k
57' CS Reissue - B: 6.1k M: 5.88K N: 6.05k
Klein 59 Epic - B: 5.8k M: 5.92k N: 5.86k
Mojotone 59 Clone - B: 6.0k M: 6.42k N: 5.78k
I left off a decimal place on the Bridge Pickups....but you get the picture. Tapers to follow....next week.
Well for sure that accounts for the higher output of the 59'. But I have no way to measure the magnetic field of the pickups....but the 59's don't sound like they have weakened. I'm interested in the 280k pots that are sold by Bareknuckle, Black Bobbin, Vintage Inspired Pickups, RS Guitarworks......etc. I realize that I have been too lax on Pot selection. One of my tone pots on the Partscaster measured 212k across the wiper.....so that's out. I'll do a 3rd comparison audio once I've got the parts.No wonder the Kleins sound different. Surprised your original 59 set measures so high My Klein 57 set measures out around 5.8k as well.
Interestingly, my SD SSL 1 set measures out at 6.5k and has a similar full bodied, lots of tone warmer side of things as your original 59’s do
Lots of variation back then
Unless some outside force has acted upon them, the magnets should not weaken with age. As I understand, magnets will weaken slightly (<1%) within the first few months, then should stay at that level for a century or more.Well for sure that accounts for the higher output of the 59'. But I have no way to measure the magnetic field of the pickups....but the 59's don't sound like they have weakened.