Going, going, GONE!

[Butcher of Strats]

Sounds like you need Mike Wolf to come and pick your collection

For what it's worth, in the late 90s I had a great uncle and aunt who passed. My parents were their "executor trustee" ??? Not sure of the english term. In all cases, we had to go to California and liquidate the estate and distribute the proceed according to their will.

We found an auction house that specialize in estate liquidation. They were highly efficient and very good to deal with. The basically came in the house with an army of people, labelled everything in the house, created a list and gave us a copy. We had 24h to go through it and remove the label of anything we wanted to keep. The morning after they showed up, packed and took everything with a label and gave us an updated copy of the inventory.

A few weeks later, they sold everything at auction and gave us the proceed minus their 15% commission. This was absolutely perfect for us, they even auctioned a car, took only 10% on top of the estimated value. We were getting 4000$ offers from dealers, they sold it for 9500$ if I remember well. Took 550$ and gave us 8950$....

Great people to deal with.... This may be an avenue for you to move your collection....

That sounds like a good professional.
I know there are hacks and thieves and genrallly unsavory characters in the business, been in it myself!
We really only need to liquidate a very small portion of unwanted leftovers, and get the last trash cleaned out of five floors in two buildings.
Hard to say if enough antiques or valuables will be left for a good dealer or auctioneer.

 

[Butcher of Strats]

Check out posts #32 and #36 and tell me if they don't sound instagative. Plus, since no one really knows who the guy is other than he is just an artist your statement about reading the thread and then ask questions about what a Bansky is it makes you sound rude.

Yeah I agree, he can come off sounding rude and it can feel hurtful.
IDK what to do with that.
I try to just move along and let it go.

 

[guitarchaeologist]

Fair enough. I tend to forget the album covers.

 

[PonyB]

Yeah I agree, he can come off sounding rude and it can feel hurtful.
IDK what to do with that.
I try to just move along and let it go.

Hmmm, okay.
I will take your post to heart.

 

[crankmeister]

(WRT "getting mad at art")

Hip Hop is art which includes graffitti which includes banksy.
Not only is a large protion of boomer guitar player community mad at Hip Hop, but corporate America is mad at graffitti, and looking back through history we can see lots of examples of America getting mad at art like the work of Andres Serrano, Annie Sprinkle, David Wojnarowicz etc etc.
Picasso in Spain stuff, Frida Kahlo in Mexico stuff.
Maybe Americans missed art aimed at the artists local issues.

Not good at recalling lists of names but culturally art does indeed anger portions of cultures, particularly glib insular portions.
In fact some of us feel that the purpose of art is not to decorate wealthy power brokers living rooms, but rather it is to kick wealthy power brokers in the nutz!

I have always liked this topic.

I have grown attached to the working definition of art as being for art’s sake. So even though it’s fascinating to see something like Duchamp’s urinal challenging the art establishment, technically I feel (not to speak for anyone else) that commentary makes it non-art because it’s for the sake of the commentary rather than the art. (And I am fond of Dadaism.) But I suppose there’s an art to making effective commentary. If it’s as blunt as “kicking wealthy power brokers in the nutz” then it probably isn’t art. But, as an example, a scene wherein power-hungry people compete with each other by wearing exceedingly bigger hats while sitting in exceedingly bigger chairs would be artistically hilarious. Or tricking a rich guy into giving you a ton of money in exchange for a signed urinal is a masterpiece in its own way (though still not the urinal itself).

Also, metonymy aside, “America” can’t get mad at anything because “America” is just an idea.

 

[stratman323]

Browsing through the 4+ year-old thread, where is @Guy Named Sue? Did something happen that I missed?

Do you remember a few years ago when I was in Finland? We were told by someone very important how vital it was that forests were swept regularly, like they did in Finland. So I spent a few weeks sweeping those forests in Finland to help out. Pointless exercise, but never mind.

So when my visa lapsed they needed someone more local to take over. Sweden & Finland are virtually the same thing, so Joel agreed to take over from me.

He hasn't been seen since...

 

[muttonbuster]

No! Hard disagree. Warhol was an artistic leach. At least Banksy is producing something original.

Ehh, perhaps, but come on. The majority of Banky's stuff is just a glorified "love not bombs" take on Ulster Volunteer Force murals in Belfast. It ain't exactly Cezanne. And like Warhol once your aim is to troll the celebrity hipster crowd, you should be judged on how effective your troll is. Neither of them were/are that effective. The only way for that to work, is for the art to end up going down in value (like an NFT).

 

[Butcher of Strats]

I have always liked this topic.

I have grown attached to the working definition of art as being for art’s sake. So even though it’s fascinating to see something like Duchamp’s urinal challenging the art establishment, technically I feel (not to speak for anyone else) that commentary makes it non-art because it’s for the sake of the commentary rather than the art. (And I am fond of Dadaism.) But I suppose there’s an art to making effective commentary. If it’s as blunt as “kicking wealthy power brokers in the nutz” then it probably isn’t art. But, as an example, a scene wherein power-hungry people compete with each other by wearing exceedingly bigger hats while sitting in exceedingly bigger chairs would be artistically hilarious. Or tricking a rich guy into giving you a ton of money in exchange for a signed urinal is a masterpiece in its own way (though still not the urinal itself).

Also, metonymy aside, “America” can’t get mad at anything because “America” is just an idea.

Yeah the "what is art" thing is like smoking crack!

WRT my comment about art kicking somebody's nutz, that has a long history of legit art that is accepted by historians and stood the test of time.
Picasso's Guernica is a good example.
The AIDS epidemic forged a big legit art movement.
Rovolutions are always accompanied by artists making art that speaks to the cultural condition which requires action.

Duchamp's urinal is a good example of a bad example of art.
Leads us off the track into straw men and toast Jesus'.

Like music is both art and entertainment, visual art is both art and decor, but society is forever confused by the question "what is art?".
Same with music, we use the term "original artist" when looking at a song played by multiple artists, but almost no musician would answer "I am an artist" when asked "what do you do?" by a stranger.

I grew up in a town that was "an artists community" with a respected "art school" that only operated in summer.
What happens in artists communities is that culture sees art communities as sort of like a celebrity hangout, so the non artists show up with $$$ and drive out the artists, replacing them with galleries selling home decor in picture frames.

The "giclee print" is a perfect example of artists and non artists replacing art with faux art and selling it to a culture that cannot understand art because we argue over what art is and cannot agree.

 

[Butcher of Strats]

Ehh, perhaps, but come on. The majority of Banky's stuff is just a glorified "love not bombs" take on Ulster Volunteer Force murals in Belfast. It ain't exactly Cezanne. And like Warhol once your aim is to troll the celebrity hipster crowd, you should be judged on how effective your troll is. Neither of them were/are that effective. The only way for that to work, is for the art to end up going down in value (like an NFT).

Almost every "artist" makes very few "pieces" I love and many pieces I get little from.
I went to a huuuuuuge Picasso and Braque show at MOMA in the 1990s and after six rooms or so they all looked the same.
Like hearing Nugent play Rock licks.
Not that those artists were lacking in talent, but once we place an artists work in the larger context, none are without their cliche licks.

I considered Banksy almost a non artist pop culture icon until "he" or they went to Ukraine and put up murals of Russian/ Ukranian gymnasts right in the middle of the destruction.
THEN, I felt something from the work.
Or in my gauge, an artist needs to DO something more than make home decor or public space decor, to BE an artist.

Warhol, yeah he is hard to see as a whole and easier to see as a lowest common denominator pop business where collectors buy "Warhol" pieces made but employees.
Nit picking though and for example when you buy a Rodin bronze, he paid employees to cast and apply patina.
Ever been in an artists foundry?

A friend applied for a toilet company artists grant (Kohler) which having no relation to Duchamp selling a urinal, offers artists grants because they have a cutting edge foundry, and can make "art".
If Kohler makes art, why not Warhol?

My drummer in NYC had an estranged old man that was an artist contemporary of Warhols.
Tony Conrad.

Tony Conrad - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tony visited at my loft often enough when in NYC because is son Ted had his drumset in my rehearsal space living loft.
Tony claims he gave Warhol the name "Velvet Underground" when they were hanging out and Andy was working up his idea of creating an art music band which was formed under his vision or direction. The name came from a smut book Tony says he found in a trash can.

So one of Warhol's works was VU, but arguably since he was not a member.
I do not love VU either or really any of Warhol's work, but I accept his existence as a large figure in the evolution of art.

Which is more important?
A painting auctioned at Sotheby's?
Or the unsellable evolution of art?
Or the lives of all artists living for an intangible ideal that nobody can see or identify or buy or sell or own?

OR, is the important thing, grafting new ideas onto the closed minds of a society clung to their chosen or foisted on doctrines?

It is said that "you cannot graft a new idea onto a closed mind".
The trick of the artist is to create or find cracks in minds which admit new ideas or at least admit viruses that bring evolution which is similar to revolution.

 

[archetype]

Do you remember a few years ago when I was in Finland? We were told by someone very important how vital it was that forests were swept regularly, like they did in Finland. So I spent a few weeks sweeping those forests in Finland to help out. Pointless exercise, but never mind.

So when my visa lapsed they needed someone more local to take over. Sweden & Finland are virtually the same thing, so Joel agreed to take over from me.

He hasn't been seen since...

Thanks for your efforts. When you have the time, go back and find him, then report on his well-being.

 

[crankmeister]

Hmmm, okay.
I will take your post to heart.

Fwiw, I don’t get it.

What I find rude — and rather common — is somebody looking for a high five by coming into a thread that they aren’t even interested in just to **** on it.

 

[PonyB]

Fwiw, I don’t get it.

What I find rude — and rather common — is somebody looking for a high five by coming into a thread that they aren’t even interested in just to **** on it.

 

[Butcher of Strats]

Well seriously too though, on the internet we get barraged with urgently screamed diatribes of misinformation.

So an alternate angel on one shoulder devil on the other might be:

Lie by omission
Tell the truth and get flamed for it (AKA appear rude?)

Uh oh I may have just been rude?
Who was I accusing of spewing diatribesmof misinformation?
And who am I to suggest alternate facts do not have rights???

 

[Eric_G]

Well seriously too though, on the internet we get barraged with urgently screamed diatribes of misinformation.

So an alternate angel on one shoulder devil on the other might be:

Lie by omission
Tell the truth and get flamed for it (AKA appear rude?)

Uh oh I may have just been rude?
Who was I accusing of spewing diatribesmof misinformation?
And who am I to suggest alternate facts do not have rights???

I've solve this a while ago, I'm myself, which in general is gentle... if I get wound up or offended, I'm way to old to get in a feud with someone I really don't care about...

I do however love to engage in respectful discussion that challenges my way of thinking and sometimes help me expand my horizon...

 

[PonyB]

Well seriously too though, on the internet we get barraged with urgently screamed diatribes of misinformation.

So an alternate angel on one shoulder devil on the other might be:

Lie by omission
Tell the truth and get flamed for it (AKA appear rude?)

Uh oh I may have just been rude?
Who was I accusing of spewing diatribesmof misinformation?
And who am I to suggest alternate facts do not have rights???

 

[Mohlman]

Read thread.
Comment.
Doesn't work the other way round.

You're a card!

 

[stratman323]

Thanks for your efforts. When you have the time, go back and find him, then report on his well-being.

I miss him too.

 

[Eric_G]

You're a card!

Sorry to ask, I don't know what that mean.... ??? But i'm curious...

 

[PonyB]

Sorry to ask, I don't know what that mean.... ??? But i'm curious...

See #5:

Definition of CARD

playing card; a game played with cards; card playing… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Eric_G]

See #5:

Definition of CARD

playing card; a game played with cards; card playing… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Thanks, I had never heard that expression... I'll put that in my English memory cells... God knows there's loads of room there