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hi thanks for all the opinions, thoughts and all, its always good to hear from a pool of collectors to get some facts, or guess's, it all helps, well the Firemist has sold as predicted, going to a major collector in the usa, fully aware of the questions and totally happy with that, see u...

maybe still a code for firemist gold verse say shoreline gold, to let anyone know at first glance what gold it is...although shoreline is long gone, so only one gold then, so shouldn't need a stamp to confirm but good point maybe not a paint code, but as said i doubt i own 2 firemist made...

and the number 3 in red on both.....

i cant tell u right now my guitars are stashed everywhere, some i have not seen in many years, i know purist players would hate hearing that, but i collected most many years ago before the boom times, like a 62 black strat $475 ha crazy....but if i except the current offer on the strat i will...

i decided to put a pic of my tele up , this is just to show the 818 stamp on body, zoom in on the pic, as said its a stamp nothing more to see, but u can also see the neck pocket, tele is march 68, so 818 on tele and E818 on strat, ok appreciate all the thoughts, i think we have covered it...

i have seen many times various websites showing the differences in strat bodies over the years, although i have never gone to the trouble of actually lining up say a 65 next to a 68 to actually check, as my collecting has always been 65 or older i don't and have never owned any past 65...(...

Richard, its all good, yes i guess a 68 refin is a real possibility , my research so far i am not seeing stamps on any say pre 67 strats or any fenders but i will be taking more notice from now on, my 68 tele also has that same T shaped paint stick tape mark in the neck pocket like the strat...

i dont believe i know what stamps mean, i said i am guessing, i explained how i am still a learner i don't preach or stand on a high pedestal thinking i am some kind of know all, i explained why i prefer to not show my tele why isn't that good enough? its a stamp, its on my tele not my strat...

the Tele is not for sale and i usually prefer not to put pics of my guitars on the net if i am not selling, my personal collection i keep to myself, there is nothing to see, it is a ink stamp 818 on the paint on a section of the body under the pickgaurd, exactly same stamp 818 as on my strat...

i did a look thru my pics of guitars i own and had a close look at my 68 Firemist tele, i knew it had a stamp under pickgaurd, i enlarged the pic and see the stamp on paint under pickgard is...818...YES 818 but no letter, no stamp in neck pocket, neck is date 3 march 68 so if the theory is...

just to be clear here, i am a 40 year collector, bought my first strat around 1974 a factory black 62, been buying and trading ever since in vintage, know all the reputable dealers, not the insta newbys, i am talking the real long term guys that know there stuff, i am still learning , but you...

yes of course he went down things happened GFC and all that, but you know he had them all, dealt them all, seen them all, and he knew his stuff, the strats i seen go thru there were amazing and the black gaurd teles, les pauls all of them, no one dealt as much vintage as him then or now in...

and just to say i did not post on here to sell the guitar, i have 2 buyers already and one offer made and they are fully aware of the stamps, and i will probably let it go soon , so all this talk about 68 and proof and asking price all that is not what i asked, as said my question is what are...

well i see your from Sydney, if your in the know u would know who Piers Crocker is, do u ? and if so don't you think Piers has enough experience, i mean is there anyone in Australia that you can name that would know more than Piers in regards to vintage, when Lenny Kravitz toured here and...

obviously i understand we cannot use the theory 818 stamp matches neck september , so thats out.....

i am not suggesting 818 paint code is anything to do with 60's just saying there are many codes meaning many things, and paint codes did carry on thru many years too....it was just a coincidence found 818 as a gold colour in the 90's, but agreed getting off the track too much

yep yours does give some backup for the theory, it would be good to see a whole bunch of these stamps matching up with neck dates and all the rest on various guitars, as its just not stratocasters these stamps are on all fenders, u would think by now someone would have researched and seen enough...

well not sure about flux still being visible, the guitar is 57 years old so corrosion around solder does not seem unusual , and that solder is perfect as are all the other joints , u might see flux around joints on pots as its a different metal and does not rust like the metal on the claw can...

just by photos, its just another piece of evidence i realize in hand is the go, but i did give plenty of pics, blacklighted as well, i really dont need gruhn to tell me what it is, i just thought it helps with the overall opinion when selling, i had Piers Crocker do in hand, he worked in his...

well its clear without any question a 65 body, the contours are very obvious to 65 , maybe pics dont give you a close enough look but there is no question its defiantly not a 68 body

yes a few have guessed and said they think, well guess and think isnt solid, i cannot find anything anywhere confirming the stamps are dates, as said before i see in a 1994 catalog the colour code for gold sparkle is 818, 818 is a colour code not a date code but thats 94 i know way...

yes i totally agree with everything u said spot on....we all know something but i do not believe there isnt anyone that can really say without question they know it all, no matter who u are, we can always learn something or get something wrong for sure....i just take it all in and hope to get...

i have seen and owned many pre cbs strats, my knowledge and research and talking to serious collectors is most of the Early strats were NOT custom colours over sunburst, only when covering up a dodgy sunburst job but in general early strats are not over sunburst, but later years especially...

no provenance, i have owned for about 12 years, have a old ad where it was in a vintage store getting valued around 2009, and verified 100% factory, also we have a luthier here in australia, Piers crocker he is the guru on vintage, has been a luthier on vintage forever, builds guitars which are...

yep of course, but that little side bit is obviously a taped area, to allow for the stamp i guess, i have other guitars with this side bit of taped area, actually another Firemist but its a tele, same side tape bit, but no stamps....